Some say that women and girls who believe that threat to our safety and privacy is heightened by opening the doors to such sex-specific facilities as public showers, locker rooms, battered wives and rape crisis shelters, hospital rooms, restrooms and prisons to male individuals – regardless of whether the male individuals identify as women or not – should compromise with gender identity ideology proponents.
Compromise 1: Male Persons Who Undergo Penile Inversion Surgery Are Women
The most suggested compromise is for gender identity advocates and advocates for women and girls to allow only male individuals who have undergone “gender-affirming” cosmetic surgery on their genitalia to access women’s and girls’ sex-based facilities.
I argue that this compromise cannot work.
Once you have established that some male persons can be women under the law – whether by their declaration or surgery – then it immediately becomes the civil right of every male person to access any sex-specific facility designated for female persons.
Why?
The policy would not withstand legal scrutiny. Transgender-identifying persons would challenge the policy in court, and the policy would be struck down as discriminatory.
You cannot legally bar entry to this population, whom you have agreed are women, based on whether they have undergone risky elective surgeries. Lawyers would successfully argue that, if these individuals are women, then they have a right to access facilities designated for women, and this access cannot be contigent on whether they have undergone procedures that are not medically necessary, lead to sterilization (infertility), have the possibility for severe complications, are not financially feasible for the poor and are usually inaccessible to youth.
If you agree that male persons can actually be meant to belong to the other sex and can fall into the category of women, then you cannot place further conditions hampering their freedom to access women’s facilities, and certainly not conditions so serious that submitting to them causes sterility, and have the potential for such life-threatening complications as infection or hemorrhage. Such a policy targeting one demographic would easily be struck down by the courts as unreasonable discrimination targeting the “transgender” populace.
Also, the policy is unenforceable. Who would check the underwear of male persons seeking to access women’s locker rooms or battered wives’ shelters to confirm that their testes have been amputated and their penises surgically inverted? Even requiring a demographic to present documents with information about their genitals to strangers in order to access facilities would inevitably be ruled an unreasonable invasion of privacy by the courts when a transgender-identifying individual challenged it.
Compromise 2: Male Persons Who Have Committed No Known Violent or Sexual Offenses Are Women
Another compromise often suggested, particularly for prisons, is to bar only male individuals who have been convicted of violent crimes or sex crimes.
First, this did not work in the case of Karen White, whose rapes of women prior to incarceration were not yet known before the inmate was transferred to a women’s prison. White sexually assaulted several women while in women’s prison, and was sent to men’s prison as a result. Not having a previous rape or violent crime conviction on record does not guarantee that an individual has never raped or been violent, or that the individual never would.
Female inmates are survivors of sexual abuse at such high rates that researchers have speculated that sexual abuse may be a “pathway to prison” for women. It is unethical to, as a social experiment, cage in vulnerable women with a person whose male biology causes strength that exceeds that of the average women, to make them take the standard prison group showers with this person. The same applies to refuge shelters that house women and children who are victims of domestic violence.
Second, transgender-identifying persons would challenge this law, and it would be struck down by the courts. While statistics from the US, England and Wales (see graphs below) show that nearly all violent and sex crimes are committed by men, there are women who commit violent or sex crimes. Transgender-identifying challengers would successfully argue that, if you would not send a woman to men’s prison for being a violent or sexual offender, then you cannot send a male person to men’s prison once you have agreed that the individual in question is a woman. Either male persons are women or they are not. If male persons are women, then committing violent or sex crimes does not make those persons not women. Therefore, the poor logic used to justify this condition would not withstand legal challenge.
Here are my thoughts.


Examples of Genitalia Surgery-Restricted Policies Leading to Self-ID Policies
In Canada, the requirement that a male inmate have surgery prior to transfer to women’s prison was successfully challenged in the 2001 court case Kavanagh v. Canada (Attorney General). The court found that the “particular vulnerability” of “pre-operative transsexual inmates” and “their need for accommodation” has a “differential impact” on “the group” and therefore, must override established policy of placing transgender inmates “with other inmates sharing their anatomical structure.” The court quoted Dr Diane Watson on behalf of the Canadian Human Rights Commission that it “‘is not only presumptuous but impossible’ to believe that anyone other than the individual concerned can determine whether or not sex reassignment surgery is a necessary procedure in any specific instance.” (While this finding was made in regard to doctors making it difficult for transgender inmates to access the surgery, the language can be employed for laws mandating transgender inmates to undergo surgery as a condition to access sex-specific spaces.) The court ruled that Kavanagh should be transferred to female prison despite still having an intact penis, and that Correctional Service Canada pay for the genital reconfiguration surgery Kavanagh wished to undergo after his transfer.
Similarly, the 2003 International Olympic Committee (IOC) policy of allowing male athletes who compete in female sports if they have reassignment surgery followed by at least two years of hormone therapy was overturned for 2016. IOC medical commission chairman Arne Ljungqvist, one of the experts involved in drafting the new guidelines, said about the reversal: “It is an adaptation to a human rights issue. … It’s a trend of being more flexible and more liberal.” Even policy requiring male athletes who seek to compete against female athletes to first undergo hormone therapy to lower their testosterone is being challenged as bigoted by transgender advocates. Cyclist Rachel McKinnon argues that mandatory testosterone blockers for transgender athletes violates furthers “transgender people’s oppression” and violates their human rights by “catering to cisgender people’s views.”
Policies that permit only trans-identifying individuals who undergo genitalia surgery to access sex-specific spaces are used as a foot in the door, and become a springboard for further legislation challenging the requirements for such procedures.
The Compromise is Men’s to Make
Any compromise to be made should be made by men. Just as women and girls share sex-specific facilities while some of us wear skirts and others wear pants, and have managed on a daily basis over decades of sharing facilities to not rape or beat up one another over differences in fashion, men in pants must get comfortable urinating and changing alongside their brothers in skirts. There is no logical reason that a male person in a skirt should trigger violence in a more traditionally masculine-appearing male observer. This issue is men’s problem, and men must resolve it amongst themselves. Women are not human shields that should be placed between two warring factions of males. If the two male groups choose not to get along and share spaces civilly, then the male individuals who identify as women must fight for their own facilities – just as women once fought and won sex-specific facilities.
Effectively removing women’s and girls’ rights under the guise of progressiveness is not okay, and not a “compromise.”











Everything written above is true. This is a male issue.
Excellent piece. You have helped evolve my thinking on this.
US-style ‘intersectional feminism’ and Transgenderism are mutually reinforcing, demanding the end of ‘sex’ as a basis for societal/political organisation, and eliminating it as far as possible by *not talking about it*. In this view, the body is to be understood as a collection of parts, which, when regarded as *a whole* (i.e. the un-adorned human figure), signifies nothing. Before any science, before any *analysis* there is a prior background of understanding and meaning, which this ideology denies.
No compromise! It must be resisted!
“There is no logical reason that a male person in a skirt should trigger violence in a more traditionally masculine-appearing male observer.”
Many reports of male violence against transgender women, and sometimes occurring among people in communities where homophobia is social norm and explicit. Seems to me at least feasible *that* there are transgender women and *that* there is male violence, in such communities, both linked to homophobia.
Absolutely. There is most definitely male violence on trans women-no question. However, women should not be forced to be the shields for trans women. Men must work through their homophobia and trans women must either fight for trans spaces and/or learn to protect themselves.
Another great piece. Thank you for all the work you put into this site.
It is impossible to make a compromise, not only with trans activists but with their allies as well. I was reading on Counterpunch an Oped piece of a writer who I formally respected until I read this bilge. She is a regular ‘cis’ woman who seems to have bought the party line, even going as far as to say that men who identify as women give up their male privilege in order to do so! She seriously said that.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/13/fear-itself-from-zika-virus-to-public-bathrooms/
She is a women who clearly doesn’t to hear it.
Sad.
I’m almost impressed by the insistence of so many liberal/intersectional feminists that men who identify as women have low to non-existent crime rates compared to their “cis” brethren when, if anything, they have a slightly higher crime rate, especially where sex crimes are concerned.
Ms West employed an astonishing amount of “whataboutery” & a dizzying array of thought-stopping techniques in that article, didn’t she? As for bringing her “arguments” back to the same disingenuous obsession with access to bathrooms as a means to diminish the valid arguments FOR women’s rights – that’s really no surprise. That she claims to believe men who identify as women just hand in their lifetime of acquired male privilege, though – to be honest that assertion would’ve surprised me more if I hadn’t discovered the woman now runs a “spiritualist” grift.
That Counterpunch article was a classic example of a word salad – or in other words, “if you can’t dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit”. IMO the writer could have competed her statement in a paragraph and it would have meant the exact same thing. She supports the intent of men to deny the right of women to feel their own feelings and think their own thoughts.
Agreed! She basically made fun of women’s concerns and then used a questionable source to prove her point, which only used email exchanges from reps from human rights organizations giving the ready ‘sound bite’ if you will of what liberals like West want to hear. She was condescending, snide and self-righteous, daring to bring the argument to a close with this ‘need to get together in order to fight the power’ garbage. She actually said this safety concern was a distraction from the bigger picture of needed social change!
You’ve got to be kidding me!
I was actually stupid enough to buy her book Love Is The Way a few years back 😛
I will now sell it on Amazon Marketplace for cheap. The price with be high enough for a small profit, but cheap enough to let West know just how little I think of her and her book :/
Look, I’ve heard a similar line from people about women’s safety concerns being a “distraction from the bigger picture” from people I know too. I’ve been accused of bigotry because I stated recently to several people that women’s shelters and rape crisis shelters should be reserved for biological female adults and (possibly) children. The immediate retort tends to be: “But what about transwomen who are raped?”. After the first time I heard that my response was tempered a little. I said “What about men who are raped in general? Should it really matter what a man wears or how they present themselves if they’re a rape victim? Would you accept ‘cis’, ‘heterosexual’ men in the rape crisis centre?” to which I got “But, but, transwomen are different! How can you be so transphobic?”.
So it goes on. There are none so blind.
“I’ve been accused of bigotry because I stated recently to several people that women’s shelters and rape crisis shelters should be reserved for biological female adults and (possibly) children.” I completely agree.
This article right here Political Rant: On Kristi Hanna and Trans Women in Women Shelters | Guardian Acorn is disgusting and insensitive and comes off as victim shaming!
The article is a response to this: Forced to share a room with transgender woman in Toronto shelter, sex abuse victim files human rights complaint | National Post
Here’s a part from the article: “Hanna said the woman is in her late 20s, has facial hair, chest hair, and wears large black combat boots that “trigger” her with their thumping. She said at one communal dinner, the roommate talked about having had a wife in the past, and a pregnant fiancée, and was overheard talking about some unidentified women as “hot” and expressing her preference for Latina women. Hanna said her mannerisms came across as “piggish” and inappropriate.”
And here’s the response of the person who wrote the article about that: “Yes, you read that correctly. Apparently having a wife and finding women sexually attractive is “piggish” according to Hanna. Does this truly sound like someone who is an LGBT ally? Or does she assume that only men express any sexual preference or wear combat boots? I had a cis lesbian girlfriend in the past that fits the description that Hanna described as “piggish,” and she suffered from a lot of emotional trauma and baggage from other supposed “feminist allys” reacting the exact same way that Hanna is now. She has had people accusing her of being a rapist, or of being “secretly a man” because of the extreme sex negativity that many radical feminists hold.”
Does the person who wrote that article realize that someone could easily come off as “piggish” and inappropriate by how they are talking about women? Hanna said that the roommate talked about having had a wife in the past, and a pregnant fiancée, and was overheard talking about some unidentified women as “hot” and expressing her preference for Latina women. Someone could easily come off as a creep by talking about that type of stuff.
Here’s something else that the person who wrote the article also said too: “In her defense, I could chalk this up to the fact that our society could be a hell of a lot better at teaching others about trans women. Maybe if that was the case she’d realize that this trans woman likely couldn’t afford to shave. Maybe that’s why she’s in a fucking shelter to begin with! Maybe she would have been taught that this woman was just as scared of men as she was, or that being the only trans woman in a shelter full of cis women, that she was at far greater risk of harm than Hanna was.”
Guess what?! Biological women and transgender women are not at the same risk and dangers as each other. For example, a homeless transgender woman is going to be more likely to stop herself from being attacked than a homeless biological women is since “she” most likely went through puberty as a male. Men are usually biologically stronger than women are. Also, a straight man (who’s a predator) is going to be more likely to target and attack a biological woman than a transgender women (especially if the transgender woman has facial hair and a penis). Also, if a man is identifying as a woman, and that’s putting “her” at risks and dangers because of it, they could simply just stop identifying. Women on the other hand don’t get that choice.
As a man myself, I’m going to be saying this. A reason why men and women shelters are usually segregated from each other is for comfort reasons. Some women are scared of men after being assaulted, and they should be able to go to a safe place and not be around them if they don’t want to. A woman who has just been raped or just escaped an abusive relationship should be able to go to a women’s shelter and not be confronted by more men. If a transgender woman was fully transitioned and had a sex change operation and look like they could pass as a woman, then maybe they could be let into women shelters. But I don’t think a man who is just identifying as a woman should be let in it for the exact reasons I stated. Even if a man does identify as a woman and consider themselves a woman, they still have the body and appearance of a man, and that could make women at women shelter’s scared and uncomfortable if they had bad experiences with men.
The fact that this transgender woman (who wrote that article) is siding with the transgender women over the biological woman sadly just shows that transgendered women don’t really understand how it actually feels to be a biological women. The person who wrote that article comes off as a misogynistic asshole who probably would defend a creep like Jessica Yaniv if he could.
Regardless of how much or little male individuals may ‘pass’, or whether there are rape victims who notice, men should be housed with men, or in separate third spaces for vulnerable men – but never with women.
Men who have had surgery on their genitalia are men. Men who some (primarily men) are visually fooled into perceiving as women are men. Men who are ‘pretty’ to some people are men.
A longitudinal study has found that males’ rate and pattern of sexual and violent criminality following “transsexual” surgery is not lower than other men’s.
Yaniv has recently shared photos that apparently prove he has had genitalia surgery. Several other criminals we have shared in our crime section have had this surgery. Convicted rapist Richard Masbruch was imprisoned and provided genital surgery after he began demanding it and cutting off his own genitalia. Yet he was the subject of repeat complaints from female inmates, who alleged he terrorized them, including raping them with objects.
Sex crimes are based on a desire to dominate, control, destroy someone (usually female) the predator sees as less than human. A predator won’t lose such feelings towards women regardless of how his genitalia is manipulated or how pretty his appearance is made. There are plenty of pretty rapists of women and girls in our crime section.
Therefore, it’s not just about the threat that women may perceive, but about the actual threat posed by larger, stronger-bodied individuals with a statistically greater propensity to violent and sexual criminality due to being male.
I agree with everything that you just said. The person who this article seems like the type of person that would victim blame a woman if she got raped.
Here’s a part from the article: Hanna said the woman is in her late 20s, has facial hair, chest hair, and wears large black combat boots that “trigger” her with their thumping. She said at one communal dinner, the roommate talked about having had a wife in the past, and a pregnant fiancée, and was overheard talking about some unidentified women as “hot” and expressing her preference for Latina women. Hanna said her mannerisms came across as “piggish” and inappropriate.
And here’s what the person who wrote the article said about that part: Yes, you read that correctly. Apparently having a wife and finding women sexually attractive is “piggish” according to Hanna. Does this truly sound like someone who is an LGBT ally? Or does she assume that only men express any sexual preference or wear combat boots? I had a cis lesbian girlfriend in the past that fits the description that Hanna described as “piggish,” and she suffered from a lot of emotional trauma and baggage from other supposed “feminist allys” reacting the exact same way that Hanna is now. She has had people accusing her of being a rapist, or of being “secretly a man” because of the extreme sex negativity that many radical feminists hold.
As I said, I could see a guy coming off as “piggish” when he’s talking about women being “hot” and expressing his preference for Latina women. I heard guys talk like that before, and they flat-out came off as creeps.
The person who wrote that article is an insensitive asshole who clearly doesn’t understand PTSD at all.
Honestly, that women shelter should have never let that transgender woman in the first place, and the fact that they treated that woman with PTSD (and had a fear of men) horribly really makes my blood boil.
Here’s what people on the transgender subreddit
on Reddit said about this.
Here’s one of the things that the transgender jerks wrote:
“So many people use the excuse of some cis women at the shelters having had bad experiences with abusive men and trans women being triggering for them because the cis women consider them men.
It’s disgusting.
Not even addressing the fact that trans women are women, no one would use the excuse “well some white women have been assaulted by a [insert minority race here] person, so allowing people of that race to exist in those spaces is discrimination against the white women”. Honestly… fuck this normalization of bigotry.”
Guess what? We’re not obligated to see you the way you want to us to see you. You have to accept the fact that you are the biological gender you were born with. You can’t accept who you are, but you expect us to accept you the way you identified with.
Transgender women will never understand what it’s like to be biological women, they will only understand what it’s like to be transgender women.
Here’s another comment from that post:
“Most attacks on women are from cis men, not trans women. That’s not an excuse to lump them together”
Most attacks on women are from BIOLOGICAL MEN, and transgender women no matter what are BIOLOGICAL MEN!
A lot of these transgender people commenting on that post are horrible people who are victim blaming and are justifying what happened to that poor woman.
With comments like those, it’s no wonder biological women who are scared of men would also scared of transgender women too.
This Reddit user is a piece of shit and is the one who made the post, and “she” is the one who wrote this rant in the Guardian.
Here’s another account from the user on Guardian Acorn.
Here’s some of the comments on this other Reddit post about this issue:
“Hm so if this roomate was a cis-lesbian wearing combat boots, talking about past female partners/wives she’d still feel triggered?”
“Haven’t you heard, women aren’t capable of rape /s”
“Replace trans with black and see how well the story reads. I think I’ve heard that one from a few decades ago.”
“The thing I get stuck on is this. Would the same consideration be offered for a man that gets triggered by the sight of a black person (or really any other skin colour) because he was traumatized by one? So, he demands that he not be forced to share a room with one. I don’t think the same consideration would be offered to that person. I think people would think him a racist for generalizing that way, despite his PTSD. What makes it different here?”
Guess what? Women get raped by men a lot more than they do by other women. Women on women rape and especially women on men rape is very rare compared to men on woman rape. So women are way more likely to be scared and distrustful of men than they are by other women because of that, and transgender women are still men.
Also, a reason why women would be scared and distrustful of men too is because they are usually biologically stronger than they are. With race, the strength level differences between two people who are the same sex (but are different races) aren’t near as intense as the strength differences between two people who the same race (but different sexes) are.
Women of all races throughout history have been harassed/assaulted/oppressed by men of any race.
Violence and oppression and discrimination towards women of any race happens a lot more than violence and oppression and discrimination towards a certain race does. So there is more of a reason why women would be scared and distrustful of men than there is for someone to be scared and distrustful of someone of a certain race. There is a reason why it’s more acceptable for women to be scared and distrustful of men than it is for someone to scared and distrustful of anyone from a certain race.
Here’s a link to this video.
I wonder if these same people (who the comments on Reddit are from) would also make these women in the video (who are living by themselves in their own society because of sexism from men) out to be bad guys too.
So the argument that transgender women have does not hold water. No one is saying men are bad! A few bad apples will always cement a stereotype. But girls are taught to stay clear of all men in vulnerable situations because they don’t know who the bad guys are, they just know they have penises.
A very large number of trans women still have their genitals intact, and while most of them are harmless, some of them are not! Bottom line is, trans women are saying they are more afraid of men than women should be of them! Good lord, who should win this argument? Maybe…um…biological women?
Here’s the post’s again (this time it’s easier to read):
Here’s what people on the transgender subreddit on Reddit said about this:
Here’s one of the things that the transgender jerks wrote: “So many people use the excuse of some cis women at the shelters having had bad experiences with abusive men and trans women being triggering for them because the cis women consider them men. It’s disgusting. Not even addressing the fact that trans women are women, no one would use the excuse “well some white women have been assaulted by a [insert minority race here] person, so allowing people of that race to exist in those spaces is discrimination against the white women”. Honestly… fuck this normalization of bigotry.” Guess what? We’re not obligated to see you the way you want to us to see you.
You have to accept the fact that you are the biological gender you were born with. You can’t accept who you are, but you expect us to accept you the way you identified with. Transgender women will never understand what it’s like to be biological women, they will only understand what it’s like to be transgender women. Here’s another comment from that post: “Most attacks on women are from cis men, not trans women.
That’s not an excuse to lump them together” Most attacks on women are from BIOLOGICAL MEN, and transgender women no matter what are BIOLOGICAL MEN! A lot of these transgender people commenting on that post are horrible people who are victim blaming and are justifying what happened to that poor woman. With comments like those, it’s no wonder biological women who are scared of men would also scared of transgender women too.
This Reddit user https://www.reddit.com/user/Iyamtebist/ is a piece of shit and is the one who made the post, and “she” is the one who wrote the rant here. Here’s another account from the user on Guardian Acorn: https://guardianacorn.com/author/lyamtebist/
Here’s some of the comments on
this other Reddit post about this issue:
“Hm so if this roomate was a
cis-lesbian wearing combat boots,
talking about past female
partners/wives she’d still feel triggered?”
“Haven’t you heard, women aren’t
capable of rape /s” “Replace trans with
black and see how well the story reads.
I think I’ve heard that one from a few
decades ago.” “The thing I get stuck
on is this. Would the same
consideration be offered for a man
that gets triggered by the sight of
a black person (or really any other
skin colour) because he was
traumatized by one? So, he demands
that he not be forced to share a room
with one. I don’t think the same
consideration would be offered to
that person.
I think people would think him a racist
for generalizing that way, despite his
PTSD.
What makes it different here?”
Guess what? Women get raped by men
a lot more than they do by other women.
Women on women rape and especially
women on men rape is very rare
compared to men on woman rape.
So women are way more likely to be
scared and distrustful
of men than they are by other women
because of that, and transgender women
are still men. Also, a reason why women
would be scared and distrustful of men
too is because they are usually
biologically stronger than they are.
With race, the strength level differences
between two people who are the same
sex (but are different races) aren’t near as
intense as the strength differences between
two people who are the same race
(but different sexes) are.
Women of all races throughout history
have been harassed/assaulted/oppressed
by men of any race.
Violence and oppression
and discrimination towards women of
anyrace happens a lot more than violence
and oppression and discrimination towards
a certain race does. So there is more of a
reason why women would be scared and
distrustful of men than there is for someone
to be scared and distrustful of someone of
a certain race. There is a reason why it’s
more acceptable for women to be scared
and distrustful of men than it is for someone
to scared and distrustful of anyone from a
certain race.
Here’s a link to this video
I wonder if these same people (who the
comments on Reddit are from) would
also make these women in the video
(who are living by themselves in their
own society because of sexism from men)
out to be bad guys too. So the argument
that transgender women have does not
hold water. No one is saying men are bad!
A few bad apples will always cement
a stereotype. But girls are taught to
stay clear of all men in vulnerable situations
because they don’t know who the
bad guys are, they just know they have
penises. A very large number of trans
women still have their genitals intact,
and while most of them are harmless,
some of them are not! Bottom line is,
trans women are saying they are more
afraid of men than women should be
of them! Good lord, who should win
this argument? Maybe…um…
biological women?
Here’s what people on the
transgender subreddit on
Reddit said about this.
Here’s one of the things that
the transgender jerks wrote:
“So many people use the
excuse of some cis women
at the shelters having had
bad experiences with abusive
men and trans women being
triggering for them because
the cis women consider them
men. It’s disgusting. Not even
addressing the fact that trans
women are women, no one
would use the excuse “well
some white women have been
assaulted by a [insert minority
race here] person, so allowing
people of that race to exist in
those spaces is discrimination
against the white women”.
Honestly… fuck this
normalization of bigotry.”
Guess what? We’re not obligated
to see you the way you want to us
to see you. You have to accept the
fact that you are the biological
gender you were born with.
You can’t accept who you are, but
you expect us to accept you the
way you identified with.
Transgender women will never
understand what it’s like to be
biological women, they will only
understand what it’s like to be
transgender women.
Here’s another comment from
that post: “Most attacks on women
are from cis men, not trans women.
That’s not an excuse to lump them
together” Most attacks on women
are from BIOLOGICAL MEN, and
transgender women no matter
what are BIOLOGICAL MEN! A
lot of these transgender people
commenting on that post are
horrible people who are victim
blaming and are justifying what
happened to that poor woman.
With comments like those, it’s
no wonder biological women
who are scared of men would
also scared of transgender
women too.
This Reddit user https://www.reddit.com/user/Iyamtebist/
is a piece of shit and is the one
who made the post, and “she”
is the one who wrote this rant. Here’s another account from the user on Guardian Acorn.
I would go beyond: “Replace trans with ‘pedophile” (another minority… right?) and see how well the story reads”. Being a minority does not make them morally superior or make them entitled to rights of other class.
I made a comment to my local NOW group, National Organization for Women, USA. The chapter in my city are women trying to support and understand the transgender person in their midst. I made a comment online to try to educate them after they keep trying to explain to me that trans women are women. No they are not and the women need to stop trying to believe it.
I hope this helps:
Author
Jacksonville Area National Organization for Women (NOW) Jacksonville NOW focuses on women’s issues, seeks to end all discrimination, and supports the rights of the LGBTQ (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer) community.
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Pj Parker Transgender are not gay. I’ve been a lesbian since birth and have been in the gay community my entire adult life. Let me explain the difference.
Transgender is gender dysphoria. They hang around the gay community who have ALWAYS been kind to them. They need mental health help.
Instead of getting any help billionaires are now exploiting them, exploiting the gay community, while destroying women’s rights and gay rights.
Transgender are not women. The men who get in your face and demand you call them women are actually heterosexual males. Many of them have poor social skills and have never had a girl friend. They are called (self-named) incels, or “involuntary celibate”.
Those tip into the dangerous ones. The new transgenders who also self-identify as women. They want to have sex with women who are not allowed to say ‘no’. They saw porn movies that convinced them all women are actually lesbians in lacy underwear bonding with their girlfriends during pillow fights.
I know that’s creepy and so do you.
Then there are the others who are rapists and pedophiles and general bullies who enjoy forcing themselves on women in ways she cannot fight back. They jack off after they get their way and come back for more. They HATE women like me. They call me TERF to dehumanize me to the group of transgender men or fetish-boys who love to bond with other men using a woman.
Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist.
They want you to believe it is radical to be a feminist, to object to men, to deny a man the right to live his fantasy at your expense and you must believe he is a woman because he says so.
No.
PJ
PJ Parker I agree with everything you said above.
Many of them are incels. The women in your NOW group would do well to realise that sooner rather than later.
I call them trancels, but intrancels also works.
Pms you are so right. It makes me sick to think that there are naive women up and down the country, treating trans women like one of the girls and not even realising what a hard on these creeps are getting as a result. It is a form of sexual abuse. It worries me that a lot of men including those in government are totally aware of the true nature of this and are quite happy to do sweet fa about it
Why cant trans people have their own areas in jails for their biological sex. If there were any real trans activists. This is what they would be trying to achieve. Similarly with changing rooms and toilets. Unfortunately the loudest trans activists are heterosexual male trans women who get an enormous hard on from being one of the girls. Am i the only person onb the planet seeing this
You are not the only one seeing it – its pretty obvious to everyone – but its a relief to hear others can see it too. There is a name for it called Autogynephilia (AGP) and as per your description yes it is a sexual fetish that completely takes over these mens’ lives. Combine it with other comorbid traits like narcissistic personality disorder and you have the typical trans rights activist. According to reliable statistics the rate of “true” or HSTS transgenderism is 1 in 20000 which would make almost the entire MTF cohort paraphiliacs. Unfortunately they are indeed the real trans activists, they don’t want third spaces because the entire point of the fetish is to enter women’s spaces in the first place. The fear of violence from men is a ruse for sympathy.
On the women’s side most “transmen” are essentially lesbians who have succumbed to self-loathing and decided to present as male. Unlike the MTFs I have some sympathy there since they are not driven by sexual exploitation of others and are generally not abusive and threatening. Lastly there is a generation of teens who have had the trans narrative presented to them as a false panacea of dealing with sexuality & developmental issues: ROGD. In a nutshell, that’s it.
Unfortunately the rights narrative has become ingrained enough that so many people have bought into the narrative they are now stuck having to save face rather than admit they got taken in. Looks like people are starting to have the courage to slow down the gender train recently. Even so these activists are so frightening even politicians are too scared to definine the word “woman” – see the article on this site.
Yes – people can see it! I think there’s a huge problem caused by the denial of those who are stuck wanting to save face, as you point out. It is largely they who are upholding society’s false consensus on this issue – despite the fact that things have now gone past the point of absolute absurdity to anyone paying the slightest attention to anyone other than themselves.
Sorry, that’s just how I feel given the suffering of the many detransitioners and the sheer numbers of women and children who have been swept up by this ideology. i do think, though, that Magdalen Berns was right – once you’ve seen it, you cannot unsee it (as it were).
I’ve been reading the story of Scott Newgent – a victim of FTM transition. One of the people brave enough to break with the enforced solidarity of the LGBT movement. Someone who cares enough about the welfare of gay people to blow the lid on what is effectively conversion therapy – having been through it.
Great article. I agree, so many transgender critical groups that have men’s input always seem to say trans identified males are women, “if they’re feminine enough,” “if they have enough surgeries,” “if they look enough like a woman.”
No. They’re all men. No man will ever be a woman.
Thank you! I agree. This is why we need to stop the game they are playing at the very beginning and no compromising with truth.
No man can ever be a women. There are no “trans women.” They are men. Do not give in the smallest amount, which would meaning lying, to help them feel better. They are our worst oppressors, playing victim.
Every bit of the trans cult is fake, just as “trans-racial” is. It is a female-hating cult based on fetish, with most being het men demanding access to Lesbians, a few who are self-hating gay men, while the women are betraying other girls and women to get male privilege.
Women keep asking why they don’t just be with each other. They don’t want to. They hate each other.
Bev Jo, I have to disagree with you when you say “Every bit of the trans cult is a fake”. Genuine trans people (and by “genuine” I mean the ones who aren’t jumping on the bandwagon) really do feel that they were born the wrong sex. That becomes clear when you read the open diaries of the poet Diana Goetsch (formerly Daniel Goetsch). It’s clear that the feelings of people like her are genuine. The problem is that trans people have devised a fantastic ideology to help them feel normal. That ideology is self-serving and false, and they use it as an excuse to move into women’s spaces where they don’t belong. If we allow ourselves to hate them to the point where we can see nothing genuine about them, then we are just dehumanizing them — and that makes us no better than they are.
If you read my blog article (URL below) and go to the end where the heading says “The Right
Attitude”, it explains it a little better. I hope you’ll read the whole thing — you too, Diana Shaw.
I agree with Bev Jo. She was right there in the ’70s with the foresight then to see through the ‘true transsexual’ nonsense and reject the ideology when it and male ‘transsexuals’ began invading lesbian and feminist spaces she was part of. At the time, she was not treated as she should have been by male ‘transsexuals’ who had undergone genital surgery or the women fawning over and centering them. She has been vindicated, and I really wish others who still today insist there can be ‘true transsexuals’ would admit they were wrong then, apologize to women like Bev Jo who’ve always known better and have been sounding the alarm for decades, and course correct. Anyway, she has experienced firsthand how trans ideology is false and harmful in all incarnations, and has been fighting it since before some of us were even born.
All I am really saying is that if a person says “I feel this”, we need to take him or her at his word unless there is evidence to the contrary. I have read enough writings by transgender women to know that their feelings are strongly held and not superficial. I mean, going through the transition process opens them up to considerable criticism and ridicule. I don’t think they would be doing it just for the attention.
Now, at the risk of sounding like a kook, I am going to give you a metaphysical explanation for what is happening. It is my belief that we choose our sex before we are born. The sex we choose should be the one that furthers our spiritual growth. Some people make the wrong choice because they are afraid to be one sex or the other. For example, a soul who has lived five lives as a male may need to be a female, but once again avoids that choice for a variety of reasons (e.g., the pain of childbirth, the second-class status of women, etc.). Once born as a male yet again, he feels drawn to being a female because that is the experience he needs for his spiritual growth, and so he becomes transgender (though that certainly won’t make him a real woman, though it may make him feel more comfortable).
Now, if you are not religious, or if you are (God forbid) a Christian or Muslim, you will reject these ideas out of hand. My point is, there are possible explanations for what is going on. To simply disbelieve all trans people who say they feel like they were born the wrong sex is in itself a kind of extremism. Privately, if you want to believe that, go ahead; but if that is your public position, trans activists will have no problem painting you as so hateful of them that you dispute even those things you are not in a position to dispute.
Yes.
That’s kooky.
It is what I suspected; those who buy into transgender or transsexuality theories have some screws loose, believing that, after centuries of human existence, some malicious deity is suddenly putting hordes of souls into wrong bodies – souls who will be driven to mass suicide if not able to access surgeries and hormones that have come into relatively recent invention, and if others won’t keep quiet about sex-specific reproductive and health concerns in order to avoid triggering them. You have no proof of female souls dwelling in male bodies, but demand it be accepted on faith. Maybe trans-racialism is also valid, or some human souls belong in animal bodies. You have a right to your wacko religious doctrines, but others have a human right to not believe in or practice your faith, and a right to not pretend to believe it.
It’s very interesting that males don’t ‘transition’ to committing a lower rate of violent or sexual criminality, housework or thankless care-taking, but only to ‘fun’ activities like crossdressing and fantasizing about sexual submission. Thanks to my European-born, 20-something trans-identifying former friend who truly believes there is a female in his body, I know all about the humiliation kink that allows trans-identifying males to get off on not only castration and sissification, but feeling oppressed by society.
How low and laughable to mansplain to Bev Jo, a woman who’s lived for decades, that men’s bodies can house women’s souls, that you men can be us.
I could not be less interested in what transgender activists think of me; your threat that you and your fellow activists will see me as “hateful” and “extremist” unless I keep my true thoughts private and change my public statements to fall into your parameters, have failed.
You sound like the typical totalitarian trans activist, who feels your wacky theories should control public life. Maybe you can take over society, ban any expression of dissenting thought in the media, and imprison, beat in the streets or execute any person who refuses to publicly chant propaganda that, on the inside, we don’t believe.
Now, I have humored you, and you links spamming your little Blogspot, for long enough. I was patiently watching to see what your intentions were. Your links will be removed. You can spam them on Pink News and ask your comrades to make compromises, as it won’t work here.
Trans activists are frightened, which is why an increasing number of you have been infiltrating and covertly spreading your doctrine here, along with other harassment (including a recent email threatening to sue me unless I pay several hundreds to a guy I wrote about). The fear-driven behavior belies your claim that I will fail unless I obey your directions. If my efforts were a waste or counterproductive, you wouldn’t be here.
Bye.
I actually started reading your comments with some hope of an honest argument but your statement is a textbook example of confabulation. Its a recognised behaviour by AGP males who want to preserve the plausibility of their condition being real at any cost – so they create far fetched scenarios trying to stretch the plausibility in their own minds to conceal the truth. That its a fetish. This pattern is well documented in sources like Bailey & Blanchard. I only read about it but to see it like this is hilarious. One more piece of evidence everything they wrote is absolutely spot on.
Metaphysical explanations/kooky theories? The answers are closer than you think – they’re in your underpants! I hope its not too late for you.
Caleb is infamous around the internet for invading forums to convert people to various religions.
He went to a religious skeptics forum to argue with them that The Seth Files, psychic readings, ghosts and ESP are real. He admits he requires no evidence for magical thinking (here is the link to that forum debate).
He got banned from Wikipedia due to using sockpuppet accounts to obsessively edit The Seth Files (link to info about Wikipedia monitoring his socks).
He’s now getting his kicks invading gender identity-atheist spaces to argue that parts of this faith are true. Not good.
I read only two sentences of your final whine. Still, I know you will read every word of this, because you can’t help yourself.
You sobbed that I’m acting in “bad faith” by not allowing you to make this website a mouthpiece for your crackpot unscientific theories on lady souls and lady brains in male bodies.
I am not obligated to host your comments. You have no right to free speech in a privately owned space I pay $100/month for. I did not remove a reply button; in-built functionality allows comments nested only so deep. I did delete your last 2 comments.
You cry that I’m a “man-hater.” This is an age-old tactic used to activate the nurturing mother instinct in women, crying to a woman who’s simply following the first law of nature – self-preservation – by advocating for her own interests, that you feel left out, oh so sad, hurt, unloved. Typically, women’s hearts bleed upon being told we’re “mean” or “hate men,” and we drop everything and race over to comfort Sad Guy. This manipulative behavior is used by trans activists to get access to female spaces. The tactic may even be used by some gay men like you; after gay men were cared for by lesbians during the AIDS era, I hear, many have turned your backs on lesbians (and other women) by supporting your brothers in skirts over women’s, including lesbians’, rights.
You commented on this site that you’re 70-years-old. I would never have guessed your age, given your antics (you trolled Wikipedia so much in your 60s that there’s a page devoted to you!) and lack of wisdom and sense. You’re here acting like an overgrown baby, flying into testerical tantrums and needing me to mama and drop everything to wet-nurse you, simply because I showed unwillingness to sacrifice myself to cater to your desires and kowtow to your intellect. You are an adult and were not produced by my uterus. I feel no mothering instinct toward you. Shame on you, sir. You could be my father or grandfather.
Your belief in human souls trapped in wrong bodies make you appear as unhinged and paranoid as any believer in gender identity, as such magical thinking is abnormal. This website isn’t for debating whether crackpot gender identity theory is true, but for providing information to already-sensible people so we can take collective action.
If further pestered, I will remove all of your comments, and you will have more to cry about on your blog. You weren’t even a commenter here yet when I wrote a certain comment about myself days ago, yet, interestingly, you know all about the comment and suddenly began commenting nonstop day and night. Is it that, after finding out more about me, you felt that you as a white, gay, liberal male are smarter, superior and more entitled to my space than I, a person who has none of those qualities?
You speak down to me, despite your not being bright, and having poor blogging skills and no record of success on these matters. You gave unsolicited advice on how I should think and run a website I created, designed and write most of the content for. I studied statistical methods at university and learned how to conduct a high validity study and recognize one. If I’m an “extremist” and you’re better, where’s your work? You need therapy to find out why you feel so threatened and envious of me that you tried taking my audience with your links, rather than putting in the work to build your own audience; tried to subvert the mission of my website, rather than going to sites that share your beliefs; and escalated to worse and worse insults and name-calling. I’m done with you.
So much mansplaining . .. . trancels can’t help but out themselves. To those men, rape is just rough sex, being a prostitute should be ‘just like any job’ and women forced into it. Right now, the men on the left want women forced into government brothels, and the right thinks that women should be forced into breeding camps. Both want women completely without any right to self defense, or self expression. We must be made to conform to toxic and destructive lives to serve men. Face it, men don’t consider us human. Sure, some men may act nicer than others, but all of them are trained to hate all of us. And we get called ‘man haters’ when we complain about what they do to us. Gee, maybe if men stopped raping us, forcing us to be whores or breeding animals, we’d have nothing to complain about. And to add insult to injury, they insist that’s what women want.
@calebmurdock, when Bev above said “Every bit of the trans cult is fake” it was meant to signify the obvious: the transideological religion. We know some people truly believe they are born into the “wrong” sex, so what? Some people truly believe in all sorts of things, some people genuinely and truly believe they are good people too when they are assholes. With your last message about past lives and metaphysical explanations of transness you discredited yourself.
Caleb is mansplainging transplaining. If reincarnation is real, that doesn’t mean that the soul, if there is one, is ‘gendered’ I’d figure that since the soul enters the body at the first breath, and the sex is determined at fertilization, the soul gets used to being either one. Since you can’t disprove any theories of the afterlife, heaven, hell, reincarnation, or just nothing are equally valid, or invalid, depending on your opinion.
But I do thank you, Caleb, for more proof that the transpologists are f’ing demented loonies. You can believe that you’re going to Hogwarts . .. but that doesn’t mean that others can’t laugh at you.
Caleb, I do not believe in ‘trans women’ or ‘brains in wrong bodies’. If a brain is in a man’s body, it’s a man’s brain, and vice versa.
If society is telling a man that his personality type belongs in the body of the other sex (or telling a woman this), and that person begins to believe life would be easier having the body of the other sex, then it’s society that’s wrong and creating the dysphoria. Society can change, not bodies mutilated to appease society’s stereotypes.
Studies purported to show that men identifying as ‘trans women’ have ‘female brains’ have proven highly flawed in methodology. I read several of these studies, and they did not conclude what newspaper headlines claim they proved. They proved that the brain of men who identify as trans had differences from other men’s, but not that they were women’s brains. Serious methodology problems with these studies are that they used a small number of participants, participants were not randomly selected, most used no controls (and they needed to control for several things, for example, sexual orientation: most used only gay men who identify as transgender, despite studies having shown gay men have brain differences compared with other men, and despite that the majority of today’s trans-identifying men are either heterosexual or bisexual, rather than gay; they often failed to control for neuroplasticity; they often failed to control for hormones, using only participants who had already been taking hormones for some time). As a person learned in statistical methods, I postulate that these studies on transgender brains made no findings that can be extrapolated to draw conclusions about the real world.
The studies were meaningless, in other words. I had four hours of sleep and am amazed I managed this coherent comment, lol, but I’m still in bed and going back to sleep.
“There is no logical reason that a male person in a skirt should trigger violence in a more traditionally masculine-appearing male observer.”
I agree with everything. Just one note: effeminate men do trigger violence against them. Often effeminate boys in school are bullied constantly for not being masculine enough. Just wanted to point this out. Obviously, men need to solve this, not women!
You misinterpreted my comment. I did not say boys are not bullied for being ‘effeminate’. Clearly they are, and everyone knows. I stated that there is no logical reason other boys should be triggered to bully them for it. It’s an irrational behavior by the sex often considered logical. Men need to figure out why they are triggered by other men’s clothes and mannerisms and stop.
As to your inquiry, in which you insisted boys are biological girls or some such similar silliness, it was discarded as waste. Those who believe ‘pretty’ males are less likely to engage in physically and sexually violent criminality are prone to the same magical thinking as transactivists – because they are transactivists, as well. Studies and statistics show the pattern and rate of criminality of even ‘post-op transsexuals’ follows the male pattern. There is no rational reason for your bizarre belief that the less a man looks to you like a man, the less physically or sexually violent he is. Women and girls require protection from males, regardless of male appearance, clothes, plastic surgery, or meaningless ‘gender identity’ nonsense.
Underage children (both sexes) have always been allowed into shelters with mothers. Adult males must create their own shelters if they can’t be amongst fellow men. People who demand women and girls sacrifice spaces designed to safeguard our safety and privacy from voyeurism and sexual violence to instead prioritize making ‘pretty’ men feel like valid females are women-haters working to turn back basic human rights of women to grant privileges to certain men.
No, we do not “agree.” I have asked believers in the transsexuality faith to go their own way, rather than seeking covert ways to convert me. Appealing to ‘pretty’ boys/men, ‘passing’ boys/men, sad boys/men and surgically inverted penises will not work. I do not share your faith. This disrespect of my space and boundaries is symbolic of transactivists’ disrespect for the humanity and spaces of women as a whole and is having the opposite effect than what transsexual pushers intend.
Certainly there is no logical reason other boys should be triggered to bully them, but an illogical one. Like there is no logical reason to inflict violence onto women, some would argue. So I am not sure this would make a good argument when arguing with a transgender activist (been there, even been one of them). As for the boys, I see your point. I just worry that it may be hard to implement in real life, if these boys that have been socialized as girls (and I am not a biologist determinist… the power of nurture is strong, men being more violent has a great to do on how they are socialized to a great extent, the same way women having more feminine characteristics is due to socialization; men socialized to be nurturers and carers do not show this pattern of violence), who are legally female, with top and bottom surgery, and cross-sex hormones, how could we know? There is a loophole in the legal system. We definitely can tell when transitions are done later in life, but these unlucky children are hard to “decode”. At the end, it’s the children the innocent victims who have to pay. Sad but true. I don’t belong to the “transexual faith”. I sense annoyance in your tone by my post. Please, be more understanding of people who want to learn and ask inconvenient questions. I know it feels better preaching to the converted, but I am converting. Only a few months I was of the idea a man could be a woman. It feels like ages ago. I have learned so much thanks to a friend who opened my eyes, and thanks to blogs like this one, and I understand how transgender ideology and the existence of transgender people and transexual people alike erase women and impinges their hard-won rights, and that at the end of the day it is an attempt from men to appropriate women’s bodies and spaces. It is clear to me that womanhood is not an identity. It is just a state of being one is born into. Reading about transracialism opened my eyes too. I remember using Chelsea Manning as my “banner”. Be well and safe. And thanks for addressing my comment.
Issues between males are not in any way, shape or form a female problem or female burden. You expect a lot of women and nothing of men. You think of males as perpetual children. You expect me as a woman to do the adulting and wet-nurse naughty males who can’t get along. Males are responsible for recognizing and problem-solving male issues. Your comments imply that it is women’s or girls’ lot in life to serve as human shields, barrier or firewall protecting man from man and boy from boy. Women and girls are full human beings with our own needs and problems. You are in the dangerous position of having been groomed out of your basic, natural instinct for self-preservation. Your worldview centers male people as main characters and female people as supporting characters, and this is why you engage in selective transactivism and the right answers don’t come to you.
Boys are not socialized as girls. Studies show boys and girls are treated and groomed differently from birth by everyone around them, whether it’s subconscious or conscious on the parts of others. If boys who identify as transgender were socialized as girls, why do they exhibit the same superiority over and disdain toward women? Why do they see women/girls as an outfit to wear, a fun feeling, or collection of parts to be purchased in a chopshop? Why do they exhibit entitlement over women’s spaces and labor? Why are boys who ‘transitioned’ as children in the crime section of this website, having committed serious sex crimes?
While I see feminists often attribute violence to nurture, I don’t personally believe male behavior is due purely to nurture, but rather, like most phenomena, to a complex interplay between nature and the nurture of being taught to feel more entitled and to bottle up emotions and channel it into only anger and violence. The reason I believe nature plays a role is because males of various species tend to exhibit aggressive tendencies. The difference is that humans are capable of rationalizing and choosing not to be driven purely by instinct. Anyway, I remember a woman on social media discussing how baboon culture successfully rid of violent males and developed a society that was more pacifist, communal and egalitarian between the sexes. You can read more about that here No Time for Bullies: Baboons Retool Their Culture | NY Times
Sorry, but boys who transition prior to puberty tend to look like boys; for example, Jazz Jennings. The few whose faces and bodies are less detectable as male are in their heydey, but based on my personal observations, the maleness in the faces and bodies of boys who transition prior to puberty tend to become more prominent as they move toward their late 20s.
Any male accessing a space earmarked for female people is a predator and does not respect women, whether he accesses it to use it or to commit crimes. That’s because he violates women’s spaces by being there, and knows it. Just because a few predators would still likely engage in the criminal, predatory behavior of slipping into female facilities after we got gender ID laws reversed, it does not mean we should keep the floodgates open rather than fight to stop lies from being put on birth certificates and the medical abuse of children with cross-sex hormones, puberty blockers and sometimes cosmetic surgeries.
I’m sad for you that you buy into the pretense men sometimes make of being incompetent when they don’t want to do something (I knew an intelligent man who “didn’t know how” to make a bed or do laundry; some men play stupid when they don’t want to do something, just as some women play too weak to lift or move an object if we don’t feel like it or want men to feel useful and needed). Men grow up if you quit wet-nursing, coddling and enabling them and hold standards and expectations for their behavior. In a group for black women, there was discussion of how men’s claims to be very simple, beast-like and driven by their penises and instincts is mostly a ruse used in service of oppression; after all, if men shaped civilizations and successfully calculated how to keep women in a subordinate place for centuries, men couldn’t be that base. While women think men are idiots and animals, men are masterminding this chessboard.
I don’t argue with trans activists. Trans activists are by far, a fleeting minority, and they and their beliefs would be irrelevant once the majority became aware of trans activism and its effects. On the rare occasion I engage a trans activist, he/she is simply a tool I use to speak to those reading and observing. I never engage trans activists for their sake or to convert them. The conversations are boring, talking points false and heavily regurgitated, and more like mantras. I focus on the majority. People have told me my website changed their mind about trans activism, which surprises me. While that’s great, it’s accidental. The focus of this work is not converting and convincing trans activists.
You sensed correctly. It’s not because it “feels good to preach to the converted” as you put it, but because the website already has the focus of providing people information so they can take action. I had planned to write two articles, and instead ended up having to reply to your comment. It’s distracting to me to spend time and energy going back and forth debating typical talking points when this time and energy should be put into the work to stop this. It’s distracting to readers, whom I would like to see devoting the time to taking real-world action. People debate trans activists all over the internet, and I don’t see where these debates have stopped legislation from going through, female spaces from being colonized and children from being subjected to unnecessary medical intervention. It gets women banned from social media and deplatformed offline.
I’m a true INTJ. This is my personality type. No amount of trying will allow me to ever grasp how anyone can believe that a male can become a female, whether it’s through his faith, a change of outfits, plastic surgery or pills. It is completely bizarre to me, and the only (non-transgender-identifying) people I encounter who think or have thought this way are online. I am not capable of guiding you away from these ideas when I can’t follow the logic to how you got there (I bet because no logic exists to describe it). To say a brain or soul is in the “wrong body” sounds like invasion of the body snatchers. Who put it there? I try to be kind and not imply too often that I think it’s an intellectual or critical thinking issue, because I don’t want to hurt people’s feelings, but I can’t fathom what else is going on. Maybe that’s not ‘nice’ of me, but I’m honest and cognizant that converting is not a strength I have (or want). You’re looking to the wrong person. I am not capable of being your savior. I hope you find the answers that you need. I feel this is not the right space to seek them. I had to stop everything I’m doing to address you and have no further time.
I see what you mean, and concur that the vast majority of human violence (which is statistically carried out by males) would appear to be base and pointless. However, much of it is not and I highly doubt we shall ever get a great many honest answers about precisely which and how many acts of violence are routinely carried out deliberately under the guise of, say “the red mist” descending.
Look, I do understand how it feels to realize that the transgender ideology in which most people in the West are now marinating is really not what it purports to be on the surface. I would never have described myself as a “trans rights activist” (actually, that term often implies one is either trans themselves or has a close family member who claims to be) but I was raised in an extremely liberal family.
Ironically, it was being ordered to “educate myself” about the specific pharmacological action of GnRH agonists a few years ago by a TRE that really gave me the opportunity to stop and think about the many cognitive distortions one has to engage in to make the ideology keep ‘ticking over’ in one’s subconscious – not to mention the absurdity of the proposition that any human can change their sex. The fact that transgender ideology and the media disseminating it throughout society tends to present the notion as a fait accompli is, in my opinion, what prompts many people to never bother to think about how implausible it is, and how pernicious the ideology behind it. In fact, I felt uncomfortable merely “interrogating my biases” about it – to borrow a phrase so beloved by some gender activists. I never literally believed that a man could “become a woman” but I realized that I felt intensely uncomfortable concentrating on the notion in an interrogatory manner, almost certainly as a result of having heard thought-terminating clichés like “trans women are women” and the use of “preferred pronouns” so much in day-to-day life for so long.
To sum up though, I imagine that nobody else here reads and/or comments here because we “feel comfortable preaching to the converted”! Like Diana, I don’t seek to convert anyone else to my point of view on these matters, but I do recall the intense discomfort of hitting what is known as “peak trans”, thus can empathize.
I live in the suburbs now, but I grew up in a large US city, and lived and went to schools and other places primarily around people who vote Democrat only and leaned left on most issues.
Aside from people I know, I have spoken with people at random – including Uber drivers, cab drivers, etc when I used that sort of thing – on the issue. I have only encountered one person, a female relative months older than me, who somewhat buys into the trans movement as something we should do as a ‘be nice’ thing.
The only person I have ever known who actually believes humans can change sex is that one transgender ‘friend’ – but even that dude had doubts and went back and forth. Sometimes, he ‘knew’ he was a female in a man’s body; sometimes he knew he was male. I figured it was a delusion he wanted to believe, but that he wrestled to fully accept due to being a rather intelligent person overall. Despite his intelligence, he couldn’t explain the logic of his bizarre belief of being female in a male body. I find it astounding that there exist delusion-free individuals who wonder, much less blindly accept, that humans could be born in ‘wrong bodies’ (who is putting them there?), can change sex, and putting on a dress or having cosmetic surgery (or urges to engage in such behavior) makes a man less prone to sexual or other criminal violence. This is bizarro world to me. It is clearly a spiritual argument, a religious belief. It is fervently held, unquestioned, defies logic, reason, and the proof to the contrary that their patterns of behavior and biological advantages in sports present.
Anyway, it’s a special week and I have to get off this internet now and go out and enjoy my weekend✌🏾, but will say for people like Addison that these ‘trans’ are just standard men who fall into one or more of these categories: they want to escape male constructs to a place where they believe the grass is greener and they’ll have fun, and are men; they are uncomfortable with their bodies and believe escaping their bodies will allow them to escape rigid social constructs, and are men; or they are living out a 24/7/365 sexual kink that they are often groomed into by ‘sissy porn’, and are men.
You are absolutely right, Diana. Anyway, I hope you have a great weekend!
I am glad I stumbled on this website since it affirms my belief that there are still people out there who are not completely deluded by Marxist Wokeism. And, reading through the comments I am encouraged by the respectful behaviour exhibited by everyone.
As a biological man, I completely agree with this article but I am a little perplexed by the conclusions of the author, which seem superficial to me.
This conclusion I can certainly agree with:
“There is no logical reason that a male person in a skirt should trigger violence in a more traditionally masculine-appearing male observer.”
No violence is justified against anyone based on what they wear. And I think men are generally okay with men in their washrooms wearing a kilt (a skirt), or wearing a thobe (a dress), or even old fashioned cross-dressers. I suspect this is because we know the men wearing these garments are still men and are not pretending to be women. Even the cross-dressers admit they are men.
“Trans women”, however, are deluded, thinking they are actually women. I still think that even in this case most men wouldn’t care if these people came into the men’s washroom but, ironically, that’s not the washroom they want to use, is it?
It seems to me “transwomen” are not trying to use women’s washrooms because they don’t feel “welcome” in men’s washrooms. They don’t want to use a men’s washroom because they don’t think they are men.
So, I can’t agree with this:
“This issue is men’s problem, and men must resolve it amongst themselves.”
This issue seems to me to be mainly women’s problem because “trans women” are allowed (by real women or the authorities) into your washrooms. And your change-rooms. And your other personal spaces.
Just to be clear, I support your endeavours to resist the gender delusions, but the solution doesn’t seem to be men being “nicer” to these people.
I agree that the real reason such men seek access to women’s spaces is because they claim they are women and belong everywhere women belong, but it’s also true that men give less traditionally masculine men (men who don’t conform to gendered expectations in looks, appearance or behavior) a hard time in general.
I remember years back looking at the comment sections of Justin Bieber’s YouTube videos (ones from back when he was only a YouTube celeb) and seeing news articles about him. I was not even a fan, but felt sad to see grown men by the hundreds finding creatively cruel ways to say he was a ‘girl’. I bet if you check out the old content, you’ll find the vicious commentary. Boys and men – both gay and heterosexual – deemed not masculine enough, are verbally and physically harassed, unofficially hazed into manhood in many societies. I know you couldn’t have missed this.
It’s the average man’s exclusion and bullying of his less traditionally masculine male counterpart that causes this latter group to spark the idea that the reason they don’t fit is because they are actually women.
It also leads gullible women to accept the idea and protect huge men in dresses, being their human shields, because these women think they are protecting a more vulnerable group. Of course, by being the human shield, they simply put themselves at risk of attack not only from the front where expected, but behind where not expected. They also put other girls and women at risk without our consent. (They don’t care, as they see no value in themselves, and therefore, not in other girls and women.)
You claim women ‘allow’ such men into women’s facilities, as if there is much women can do about it.
Trans women are men. Their problems are men’s problems, so yes, it’s an issue for the collective of men to resolve. Men should ensure men are all held to the same legal standard, regardless of personal fashion or delusion.
Authorities are disproportionately men and are more likely to listen to fellow men who would rather not have any men in change rooms, public showers and sports beside their daughters. If men stopped saying certain boys and men aren’t ‘real men’ and teasing them in general, and made it clear to authorities that they were willing to accept and change clothes near, groom at a mirror by, and pee at a urinal beside their brothers in lipstick, the excuses, the pretexts, used by men who self-identify as women wouldn’t hold water. Maybe there would even be less urge for these men to escape manhood if the roles were less rigid, as womanhood was starting to be.
The reason why men engage in ostracism, bullying and in actual violence toward those “men who wear dresses” or are gender non-conforming etc is as a mechanism of enforcing masculine normativity – policing the allowed boundaries of what is permitted by a particular culture’s masculine norms. Gay bashings are a perfect example of this. That is why in so many cultures effeminate men are kicked into their own social group – ie third sex, two spirit etc. These are not liberating mechanisms as the gender activists so often claim but are coercively-assigned niches these cultures found for GNC males. Trying to assert these masculine norms is a large cause of the poor behaviour men angage in toward women so often.
So if only men would loosen their hypervigilance about this enforcement all would be fine, right…? Transwo-men could then freely go into male toilets without having to fear violence nor subject women to discomfort? Unfortunately no… That would not solve the problem of trans bathroom access. You see because the fundamental reason transwo-men avoid male toilets/changegrooms is not fleeing danger in the first place. That is an emotive lie made up to elicit sympathy from a naive public who believe the “brain in wrong body” narrative.
The conventional Blanchardian explanation is that there are two types of MTFs: effeminate gay men (HSTS) and fetishitic ones (AGP). The former want to use female spaces to conceal that the are male since of course using male spaces would out them – in other words to pass.The latter go there to practice their paraphilia – and worse, if they have comorbid narcissism to get off on the fear and discomfort they cause to women within (who now cannot complain about it).
Neither wants to use women’s spaces because – as you say “they don’t think they are men”. Why don’t you do that thing that prog/leftists keep telling everyone to do – and “educate yourself”. True clinical knowledge about this condition was known for some time before the G-bomb exploded. The books by Blanchard, Bailey, Dreger, Lawrence are available – many free online. These people are real scientists, not activists or bloggers. I decided to read up on things to make my mind up on the issue and had a WTF-moment. You are not on the right side of history Mr Christensen, why not look at the evidence and decide for yourself, the evidence-backed answers are there of you want to look. But do you? Would you prefer not to so you can avoid the embarrassment of admitting having made a mistake?
Men loosening up on enforcing masculinity would probably be a good thing in general, for everyone including men themselves. But that is not going to do anything to solve the trans issue, since the genderists actually NEED gender boundaries built up and maintained for them to get what they want. The bathroom safety angle is a con – the only ones whose safety is actually threatened are women. They are the ones who must lose whichever way things are arranged. Why should that be so? If you have women in your life think of them while trying to answer the last one.
Transwomen KNOW they aren’t women. They use women’s spaces to fuel their paraphilia (ie- they get off being in women’s spaces and being “seen” as women).
Women’s washrooms are props, much like lube or dildos, to get off on.
What I don’t understand about this entire anti-science/anti-REALITY agenda is: why was it ever even allowed to explode to the level of such nonsense beyond the flagrant face value insanity and verbal acrobatics it requires to exist(???). I mean, why would a man in a miniskirt (sporting often, no doubt, a “lumberjack” beard as well in many cases….it’s weird how so many of these guys trying to “perform womanhood” have an obsession with growing facial hair!) think he was entitled to be so hell bent upon selling his mentally-ill delusions to the world and expect everyone to indulge him like a spoilt child in them? How is that any different; than: if he’d said he was Superman and could fly off-of buildings? It’s not.
When one sees what a totally pathological, toxic echo-chamber cesspool the Internet has completely devolved into nowadays (in addition to: THE VERY REAL-LIFE CRIMINAL THREATENING BEHAVIOR OF THESE MEN TOWARD WOMEN BEING ON RECORD), there is PRACTICALLY NOTHING [on it] these very sociopathic mobs say or do which would make someone convinced of having any empathy toward them at all. Notice how they all seem to have an exact same personality disorder; where, these men can never refrain from constantly projecting their guilt-tripping, loser lives onto everyone else and shaming everyone else over their OWN self-loathing. Men who want to wear dresses don’t (unfortunately, to a degree) want to wear them because they’re fighting the cultural ghost of John Wayne-or-something. They’re clamoring to wear them, precisely, because the dress represents a distinctly “femme” OBJECT their fetish equates to the taboo of getting-off on sex in a submissive position (which every patriarchal system, of course, has ordained as-being the default “gender role” for women).
The biggest money trail behind this insanity is the porn industry and pharmaceutical cartels. What better customers.
Yes, it is. While the TREs themselves frequently claim to be trying to “queer gender” by doing so – I think it has far more to do with the extra discomfort they can cause in their target audience (women, generally) by doing so. These men frequently keep pushing the envelope with both their appearance and behavior and many of them appear to get off by instilling fear in others.
The guy in the video linked to below, for instance, has a history of going around bellowing at others, falsely accusing all and sundry of hatred & “transphobia”. He seems to let his beard grow out to at least stubble on a regular basis, too:
Gee2TheAitch Twitter status
You can’t tell me he doesn’t get off on experiencing the fear of others.
Account is suspended and other posts deleted by author. Finally Twatter is realizing that rape and murdering ‘terfs’ is in fact HATE SPEECH. The backlash is happening if even those PCu&ts are paying attention.
Well, I hope that Twitter is finally realizing that rape and death threats against women who do not follow the Trans religion are in fact Hate Speech. Unfortunately, he could easily have lost that account due to internecine disputes between Trans Extremists, IDK.
I do agree with you that the backlash is only just gaining steam. I think it’s going to be huge – I also think it’s vital that people in the LGB work really hard to disengage from the cultists, even though it means organizations will have to go without their blood money and endure even more black PR from the trans contingent.
It’s so obvious from online records that the so-called TERFs are just against the ideology, not the people themselves, and get all the hate for what it should be an intellectual debate. The mantra people are the transideologists. By repeating it they’ll believe will make it truth. Another thing: Alex above asked why was it ever even allowed to explode to the level of such nonsense (with obviously non-gender dysphoric people self-ID as what they desire). I believe the more the merrier in their rainbow bandwagon. If they just cared about gender dysphoric patients they couldn’t do a business. All has to do with LGBTQ+ soup having reached an end with gay marriage. Once gay people at at least the paper level were content, these rainbow organizations stopped gradually getting funded, so they had to come up with something. Genuine concern for social justice causes…